Reading Nara's Livejournal... again... (mostly because of all the journals I try and follow, hers is the only one that is regularly updated...)

Today she's talking about a religious argument between her and her mom, and just because I'm that kind of person, I'm going to post some third party comments in response to some of her mothers (and possibly her) statements. See the original post here

Ok Here we go. (Oh and just as a bit of a headnote, I'm not personally homosexual, and don't see the wisdom in it as a practice for genetic propagation, but believe that 2 consenting people should be allowed to experience the pleasure of sex without it leading to issues based on their decisions, despite gender, color, creed, etc...)

amidsthespires: I studied the Bible with a homosexual in NYC and I CAN identify gay men almost immediately but Genny you are dabblling in death-dealing attitudes
amidsthespires: why do you rejoice when people have been misled by Satan into behaviors that will kill them?

?! Homosexuality is lethal? Since when? STDs are just as common in heterosexual relationships as they are in homosexual, so that's not it... As far as I'm aware, the process itself is rather harmless. And although I can see an increased risk of hepatitis A if we're looking at homosexuality in men because of the hoof and mouth problem, the same increase can be found if you don't was your hands after taking a dump.

stardust enigma: If God is Love, why do his followers so love condemning people?
amidsthespires: you should stay away from it and people who delve in it His true followers convey HIS thoughts about it and His Warnings

Isn't this "Don't question God! He is because he is!" And, as of the last I checked, it is impossible to judge who is a 'true' follower anyway. I mean, you can't assume the clergy is a true follower, I mean, consider the pedophilic priests we're dealing with at the moment. Even the Bible itself was composed, and then later tainted, by men who had political agendas.

There are numerous references to 'Satan' in the proceedings... A point which I will contend with one sentence: 'If god is love, then why the heck would he, the grand creator, create suffering?' But remember, I don't even believe in a God as of this particular moment, (more of that Instantaneous consciousness thing)

And a discussion on the rather interesting fundamentalist view of the Jehovah's Witnesses belief structure will be left out for now, seeing as arguing with fundamentalists is a basic waste of time, considering that they hold something to be fundamental, and as such, not up for debate. I definatly want to come back to it however, because it's, well... Not to be rude but... Well I would explain it as entertaining, considering the volatility of the Bible. But at least they don't believe that the Christ was God himself, a point that many of the sects of Christianity seem to miss the plausibility problems of.

stardust enigma: A whole eternity of getting to be around people who hate anyone different.
amidsthespires: they are only repeating what God has clearly stated for milleniums
stardust enigma: Eternal life among JWs.
stardust enigma: I'd rather die.
amidsthespires: it isn't hateful to tell someone that they are skating on thin ice and endangering their life
amidsthespires: you will
stardust enigma: I'm not interested in Jehovah's paradise.
amidsthespires: obviously
stardust enigma: I wouldn't want to live in a place like that.

There's more to this part of the discussion so I recommend you read all of it, but what I want to say is that, after reading about the beliefs of the JWs, I would absolutely have to agree with stardust on this one. JWs (according to the views clarified by the JWs master periodical"The Watchtower", the only people who can go to Jehovah's paradise are JWs. And better than that, they have 6 million members, and only 144,000 of them get to come along for the ride. But the reason I agree is because of their belief on death: they believe that your consciousness dies with your body. Because of this, I have to choose between the pentultimate in "I don't care" (No consciousness tends to do that) or live with 144,000 other fundamentalists Christians whose entire lives where dedicated to getting to said paradise and involved no plans as to what they where going to do with themselves if they ever did actually reach it. 143,999 people with no plans, a fanatical viewpoint, and a religion with no post-apocalypse guidance...

For now I think that's enough religion bashing for the moment... Don't want to start getting any nasty hate mail now do I... ;)





- posted by Jim The Cactus @ 3/31/2004 04:30:25 PM | Permalink | (0) Comments. Add your own!